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Post by Myles (SAS) on Dec 26, 2013 15:42:41 GMT -5
GMs, I think it's no secret that the CSL has been a little... inactive recently. Not just due to the holidays, but even before then. It's seemed a bit quieter around here recently, and we want to change that. Dylan and I, as well as all of you, have invested in this league and would like to see it thrive a bit more. I want to hear your guys' voices more, want to see you all around here more. For starters, to help kind of drive the discussion, Dylan and I put together a little "activity table" just to see where we stand. We looked at Sim Results (represented as a percentage out of the 29 sim results that were posted when this was put together), number of Insiders/Wiretaps/Draft Articles written, which were also totaled as Media Points (10 points per Insider and 5 points per Wiretap). Also, how many times each team had scouted, and the number of posts per day since this season started on November 8th (we had different calculations for Riot and Lakeshow as they joined after the season began). Take away from this what you will, but we had hoped, when the season started, to see 50% participation in sim results (yes, even I'm falling below my own standards), and had hoped most people would have written at least a couple of articles in the two months we've been going. We understand there hasn't been a lot of comments on media, and nothing kills article writing more than no feedback. It just completely deflates the writer.
So what can we do to change this? At this point, Dylan and I are more than willing to try realistically anything. What do you guys want? What can we all do? This is your league as much as it ours. Dylan and I are happy to do the work we do because we know you guys all enjoy being in this league. So what can we do to bring the activity up?
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Post by LakeshowAK7 (LAL) on Dec 26, 2013 16:35:21 GMT -5
More insider articles need to be made to increase league discussion. That falls on all of us as GM's to produce. We also need to find a way to engage everyone outside of article writing. I don't know, just my two cents.
I also feel that because a lot of the league's GMs are in multiple leagues, it is hard to concentrate efforts just to CSL. Definitely not something that should be controlled, but it is definitely a factor.
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Post by WillyJakkz (HOU) on Dec 26, 2013 17:18:29 GMT -5
My personal opinion is you have to have an interesting story or create an interest in your team to be interested in not only your team but teams League wide.
One of the most interesting teams is and would be OKC w Dwight Howard and LeBron James who are off a Finals elimination, LeBron getting hurt and coming back w a vengeance but you'd never know it cause it isn't written about at all whatsoever cause for me personally I'd love to read up on them.
And this is not calling out any GM in particular so don't take it that way KGdobby.
Also I think the parity may have something to do with it, though every team can't win I think some gm's just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for quite some time or at all and some remain competitive but it may be disheartening to see the Heat w or without Durant destroying peeps or the Clippers picking up from where they left off pretty much.
The thing is guys gotta have faith cause remember last season the Clips didn't even win it all and the Heat came outta nowhere, the Heat may not even win it all this season but for teams w young guys looking to become stars the road may be long and they may not he as engaged as others.
Just an opinion from off the top of my head and I'm sure it could be much easier or more simpler than this.
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Post by LakeshowAK7 (LAL) on Dec 26, 2013 18:10:35 GMT -5
Another idea - if there's GMs who the admins feel aren't pulling their weight so to speak, let them know or trim the excess fast
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Post by rockman (GSW) on Dec 26, 2013 20:53:05 GMT -5
I've definitely been slacking and I apologize. At the very least I should be throwing up a few more wiretap articles and contributing more to discussion around the league.
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Post by Dylan (SAC) on Dec 26, 2013 21:39:30 GMT -5
Definitely give us input on anything you guys would like to see differently from us. Anything you guys think and would want to make the league more active and more exciting, please share and we're open to absolutely anything.
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Post by kgdobby (OKC) on Dec 26, 2013 23:28:24 GMT -5
I could definitely do more of course. Especially since OKC does have interesting storylines. Much of my posting is done on my phone which is my problem...and so when I post articles they aren't attractive and often don't get much of a response. Again that's mostly my problem I guess.
Good to bring to our attention. The league is what we make of it. I personally have no other teams at the moment, so I really can and should pick up on articles. Outside of that...I really do miss the chatbox...
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Post by Bazemore (MEM) on Dec 27, 2013 2:09:16 GMT -5
I could definitely do more of course. Especially since OKC does have interesting storylines. Much of my posting is done on my phone which is my problem...and so when I post articles they aren't attractive and often don't get much of a response. Again that's mostly my problem I guess. Good to bring to our attention. The league is what we make of it. I personally have no other teams at the moment, so I really can and should pick up on articles. Outside of that...I really do miss the chatbox... Pretty much my problem too. I could do more but since I'm on my phone most times it is difficult for me to make articles and those stuff. Ill try my best to be more active just around the CSL community by commenting and helping.
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Post by Misha (PHX) on Dec 27, 2013 2:35:30 GMT -5
I think people just need to be aware of other teams rather than their own. Good GM's know exactly whats happening around the league with virtually every player and not just their own team. I think a lot of the times people are too enthralled with their own team that if there isn't a league wide article, people won't really care and won't respond.
I'm not saying to know 100% about everyone's team, but just a little general knowledge that if they write an article about an injury or trade rumor, you can give your 2 cents about the topic knowledgeably rather than avoiding the article all together. For me at least when those types of articles are written, I'll go and look at that team, see what their strengths and weaknesses are etc and that not only helps the league with participation but also makes me a better GM in the long run.
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Post by Dylan (SAC) on Dec 27, 2013 10:25:39 GMT -5
Keep it coming. Would like feedback from everyone.
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Post by orangeparka (MIA) on Dec 27, 2013 11:23:48 GMT -5
Commenting and promoting discussion is one of the things I feel strongly about. I understand that not everyone's a writer, nor has the time to write a ton of articles, but reading other peoples' and sparking debate and whatnot generate activity,
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Post by dennisj (BOS) on Dec 27, 2013 11:31:41 GMT -5
My problem for now is, Im not that highly interested in my Team because its just not feeling like "my Team". Its hard to identify with a team you didnt "create", but got a few trades in the pipeline, so that will change in the near future. I promise. The vuc deal was the first step in the right direction.
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Post by andrei (POR) on Dec 27, 2013 18:15:50 GMT -5
some random thoughts that could be related to this: - I agree that we need to have something to write about. The season is not as exciting, I suppose, as the offseason so less articles are expected. I am going through sims - win/lose/win/lose etc. Not much is happening so not sure what to write about. Hoping that we will start to play better and get a few more wins. I want to post an article about Lillard as he is playing great for us. Will do that in asap
- Trying to comment on as many articles as I can. But some I just don't find that interesting. I saw a lot of draft articles recently. I made a scouting request once, had to wait for a while, and then wait some more. Eventually lost interest. So made no more requests so as not to waste anybody's time. So don't even read draft related stuff as I have no interest. I only have a late 2nd rounder this year so I guess it makes sense
- I think there should be more participation in Sim Results. I enjoy reading the posts by NY, NO, MIA - the guys that show their results and add a bit of comments in there. Its brief but effective and I also get some visibility of whats going on in the league. On the other hand I don't like post that simply say something like 'We played crap'. Why even bother to post this?
- How about requiring an article to process a trade? If you want to trade there must be something accompanying it - even a brief Press Release or something
- I agree that we need a better overview of whats going on in the league. Just to have a view of CSL end-to-end rather than your own team only.
- My opinion as an outsider only but I did not like what happened to the previous DAL and LAL GMs. Not sure why they left but looking at this from the outside I saw two guys that did not even have the game (I think), joined the league, got no formal mentorship (not officially at least), got bombarded by rip-off trade offers, accepted a few, got the shit criticised out of them by everybody else and, of course, left. Does that sound like fun? Again, I don't know the actual reasons why they left but this is what I saw and it was not pretty. I see two issues here: 1) it's not nice for recruitment purposes knowing that we can get a new person to join and they will be treated like that. GMs will write BS like 'Welcome to the league, you're so great, let me know if you need anything blablabla', then the same GMs will go and try to rip-off the poor new guy. Not help them get accustomed to the ratings, the engine etc but offer some crappy deals and hope to get away with it. It does not look like they care that, soon thereafter, there will be another OPEN TEAM post created partly because of them. I thought it was very not nice what our two more experienced GMs did to ex-LAL GM. To a point where the commissioners had to step in and decline these trades. I think there must be a formal single mentor assigned to every new person, to review all moves and make a recommendation. Make sure they new guy really knows what they are doing. Not everybody needs one - BOS GM is very good and does not need anybody to mentor him, but some new people definitely need one. But also, GMs need to have a bit more common sense. We do not need bans or Commishes to reject trades if our GMs understand what impact their actions can have on the league overall 2) Second issue is I do not like the criticisms that some of the people get for their moves. I thought ORL got bombarded with nasty comments after the Vucevic trade. He made a mistake of trying to defend himself (same with ex-LAL GM BTW) and for predators that means more blood in the water. The more defensive he got, the more nasty were the comments, the more he had to defend.... Obviously, we should all be able to express our opinion but I think we have to be a little bit more political about it
Wow, I wrote a lot. Could this count as my Insider/Wiretap articles for the year
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Post by Misha (PHX) on Dec 27, 2013 18:38:47 GMT -5
I really like the idea of an article accompanying a trade. Could bode well and spark some interest. Also that way the trade chatter is so clustered.
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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Dec 27, 2013 18:52:31 GMT -5
Also like the idea of a mentor - perhaps one of the mods - to help out and walk through the teams roster with the new GM. Explain how certain offenses work, etc. Perhaps give some background on the league, other GMs, etc.
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