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Post by Dylan (SAC) on Jul 4, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -5
Other thing is, they are just getting more of an opportunity, as the ball is going to them most of the possessions. Not like they are shooting incredibly high percentages. But I'm not sure if there is a fix for this.
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Post by Vinsanity420 on Jul 4, 2013 23:24:44 GMT -5
Brendan Haywood just dropped 29/25, and the Cats have won 4 straight. Favors is going off on the Spurs and Marc Gasol, as the Jazz are winning. How much for a sample size do y'all need? There is no real strategy to this - it's just dump the ball to your Center and watch as the game glitches. If you look though, other people drop off. My team specifically: Jrue Holiday never scores over 12 points and I get no scoring from anyone else. If I had played a standard offense, everyone would get more involved and score more while Bynum gets less touches. I would be glad to see that. As it currently stands, the single post causes Centers to get this huge boost and it throws all realism factor in the league out of whack. This is worse than the steals/turnovers problem we were having. At least until the DDS creator comes up with a fix in a future patch, is it too much to ask teams to not use this offense? |
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Post by orangeparka (MIA) on Jul 4, 2013 23:40:42 GMT -5
Gotta agree with TOR on this one.
Bynum putting up a 36.5 PER? Haywood a 20/13 guy? Favors has 120 points in his last four LOL.
Is it a coincidence that both teams are starting to play exceptionally well? I think not.
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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Jul 4, 2013 23:44:18 GMT -5
I've seen some pretty terrible players post pretty epic performances so far this season. Haywood had one game, relax.
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Post by Vinsanity420 on Jul 5, 2013 14:45:48 GMT -5
So will the mods weigh in on this, or will we actually wait until Haywood starts creeping into MVP talk?
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Post by jake0890 (MIN) on Jul 5, 2013 16:08:54 GMT -5
So will the mods weigh in on this, or will we actually wait until Haywood starts creeping into MVP talk? Come on now. Haywood had one good game. Seriously, look at everyone else. Don't say this strategy doesn't have caveats because it does. My team: Jrue Holiday, averages 17 PPG in real life, averages 9.8 in the sim. Dorell Wright averages 9.2 PPG in real life, averages 8.3 in the sim. Thaddeus Young averages 14.8 PPG in real life, averages 10.6 in the sim. Nick Young averages 10.6 PPG in real life, averages 6.9 in the sim. So sure, it boosts Bynum's PPG BECAUSE HE GETS MORE TOUCHES but everyone else gets less touches and less points. |
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Post by jestor on Jul 5, 2013 16:14:50 GMT -5
Bynum putting up that kind of PER doesn't surprise me, even without the single post. IIRC he was pretty close to that when I ran the Iso offense with Philly in the second half of the R2G season.
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Post by Vinsanity420 on Jul 5, 2013 16:19:04 GMT -5
So will the mods weigh in on this, or will we actually wait until Haywood starts creeping into MVP talk? Come on now. Haywood had one good game. Seriously, look at everyone else. Don't say this strategy doesn't have caveats because it does. My team: Jrue Holiday, averages 17 PPG in real life, averages 9.8 in the sim. Dorell Wright averages 9.2 PPG in real life, averages 8.3 in the sim. Thaddeus Young averages 14.8 PPG in real life, averages 10.6 in the sim. Nick Young averages 10.6 PPG in real life, averages 6.9 in the sim. So sure, it boosts Bynum's PPG BECAUSE HE GETS MORE TOUCHES but everyone else gets less touches and less points. Wha...? You're being absurdly biased at this point and it's showing. This is whack, dude. Players don't looking like stars and superstars in the NBA because they're suddenly getting more touches. It comes at a heavy price, of efficiency or something like that. All these guys are maintaining their efficiency and seeing a major uptick in FTA's. How is it okay for Centers to start going off? This isn't exclusive to Bynum, as clearly Charlotte and Utah has gotten significantly better. If you don't see a problem with Centers going off in the single post O, I don't know what to say. |
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Post by jake0890 (MIN) on Jul 5, 2013 16:25:02 GMT -5
Come on now. Haywood had one good game. Seriously, look at everyone else. Don't say this strategy doesn't have caveats because it does. My team: Jrue Holiday, averages 17 PPG in real life, averages 9.8 in the sim. Dorell Wright averages 9.2 PPG in real life, averages 8.3 in the sim. Thaddeus Young averages 14.8 PPG in real life, averages 10.6 in the sim. Nick Young averages 10.6 PPG in real life, averages 6.9 in the sim. So sure, it boosts Bynum's PPG BECAUSE HE GETS MORE TOUCHES but everyone else gets less touches and less points. Wha...? You're being absurdly biased at this point and it's showing. This is whack, dude. Players don't looking like stars and superstars in the NBA because they're suddenly getting more touches. It comes at a heavy price, of efficiency or something like that. All these guys are maintaining their efficiency and seeing a major uptick in FTA's. How is it okay for Centers to start going off? This isn't exclusive to Bynum, as clearly Charlotte and Utah has gotten significantly better. If you don't see a problem with Centers going off in the single post O, I don't know what to say. Bynum is a star center whether you like it or not. The Single Post O didn't make him that way. Now, if Haywood continues ridiculous stat lines then we have a problem because he is no star. But for Bynum to be doing really well is not a surprise. |
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Post by Vinsanity420 on Jul 5, 2013 16:28:17 GMT -5
Wha...? You're being absurdly biased at this point and it's showing. This is whack, dude. Players don't looking like stars and superstars in the NBA because they're suddenly getting more touches. It comes at a heavy price, of efficiency or something like that. All these guys are maintaining their efficiency and seeing a major uptick in FTA's. How is it okay for Centers to start going off? This isn't exclusive to Bynum, as clearly Charlotte and Utah has gotten significantly better. If you don't see a problem with Centers going off in the single post O, I don't know what to say. Bynum is a star center whether you like it or not. The Single Post O didn't make him that way. Now, if Haywood continues ridiculous stat lines then we have a problem because he is no star. But for Bynum to be doing really well is not a surprise. Then let him go off? Lol. The issue is with this brand of offense, and not with Bynum being a Top Center. |
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Post by jake0890 (MIN) on Jul 5, 2013 16:30:46 GMT -5
Bynum is a star center whether you like it or not. The Single Post O didn't make him that way. Now, if Haywood continues ridiculous stat lines then we have a problem because he is no star. But for Bynum to be doing really well is not a surprise. Then let him go off? Lol. The issue is with this brand of offense, and not with Bynum being a Top Center. You may as well ban standard offense because that's what OKC and Miami uses (I think). Both LeBron and Durant are putting up great stats, so it only makes sense to ban that offense because it makes a player as good as possible. |
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Post by jestor on Jul 5, 2013 16:39:23 GMT -5
Let's see..
1. Utah's won 3 of their last 4, beating rebuilding team Phoenix at home and San Antonio and Memphis on the road. The only one of those 3 that's any good is San Antonio. They also lost to Milwaukee, another rebuilding team, in Utah.
2. Charlotte's won 4 straight, but that beat us, Dallas, and Milwaukee in Charlotte, and beat Atlanta on the road. Again, there's only one notable win there, Atlanta. Dallas is a mid-level team at best and the rebuilding rule applies to us and the Bucks. Haywood also shot 4 of 13 against the Bucks.
It's way too early and it's way too small a sample size to wig out about it.
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Post by Vinsanity420 on Jul 5, 2013 16:39:49 GMT -5
Then let him go off? Lol. The issue is with this brand of offense, and not with Bynum being a Top Center. You may as well ban standard offense because that's what OKC and Miami uses (I think). Both LeBron and Durant are putting up great stats, so it only makes sense to ban that offense because it makes a player as good as possible. Yeah, I am 100% sure right about now you don't actually believe whatever you're typing. I will drop this and wait for Myles to post his thoughts. |
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Post by jake0890 (MIN) on Jul 5, 2013 16:48:10 GMT -5
You may as well ban standard offense because that's what OKC and Miami uses (I think). Both LeBron and Durant are putting up great stats, so it only makes sense to ban that offense because it makes a player as good as possible. Yeah, I am 100% sure right about now you don't actually believe whatever you're typing. I will drop this and wait for Myles to post his thoughts. I am 100% sure right about now you are just looking at the statlines rather than looking at who they're playing against and the stats of the teammate s.
I'll drop this for now until Myles and Dylan drop their opinions. |
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Post by Vinsanity420 on Jul 5, 2013 17:01:10 GMT -5
Let's see.. 1. Utah's won 3 of their last 4, beating rebuilding team Phoenix at home and San Antonio and Memphis on the road. The only one of those 3 that's any good is San Antonio. They also lost to Milwaukee, another rebuilding team, in Utah. 2. Charlotte's won 4 straight, but that beat us, Dallas, and Milwaukee in Charlotte, and beat Atlanta on the road. Again, there's only one notable win there, Atlanta. Dallas is a mid-level team at best and the rebuilding rule applies to us and the Bucks. Haywood also shot 4 of 13 against the Bucks. It's way too early and it's way too small a sample size to wig out about it. And this reminds me - if sample size is the issue, Myles can trial sim the whole season and analyze the results (of course, he wouldn't actually save the results to file). |
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