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Post by Myles (SAS) on Jan 20, 2014 14:38:25 GMT -5
That's also in our plans, for each agency to put out a media snippet at least 3x a week.
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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Jan 20, 2014 15:01:55 GMT -5
Guys, a brief example of a situation where I whiffed in free agency in another sim, but where it was enjoyable regardless.
Example:
I had enough cap space to offer Dwight Howard the max. Dwight had someone operating as his agent and we were required to not only send in our contract offer but our reasoning as well. Here was mine:
Personally, if you're committed to this engine, this should be the kind of commitment paid, in both time and energy, to the free agent process. Obviously, this was above and beyond what would noirmally be expected and this length of effort may only be necessary for top tier FAs, but the thought process is the same. In RL these free agnts get pitches from every interested team, IMHO, this should play an important role in our process as well.
Again, remember I lost out on Dwight, but the feedback I received from the agent let me know generally where I stood and, prior to losing out on Dwight, I had enough feedback to begin pursuing other free agents early on in the free agency period to not miss out entirely waiting for Howard to make a decision.
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Post by Myles (SAS) on Jan 20, 2014 15:11:25 GMT -5
Yeah, what was above definitely went above and beyond but it'd be fair to say that's the kind of negotiation we are looking at. Pitches, offers going back and forth, constant communication.
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Post by andrei (POR) on Jan 20, 2014 17:32:29 GMT -5
Next thing you know we are sending powerpoint slides and doing a presentation online... thats way way over the top for me. I think the main point is to show how the player fits into your plans, what the plans are, player's expected role, any risks and, of course, cash...
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Post by WillyJakkz (HOU) on Jan 20, 2014 17:44:27 GMT -5
@sun Scorched that looks super familliar, did you do that pitch on realgm gmat game?
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Post by LakeshowAK7 (LAL) on Jan 20, 2014 17:51:11 GMT -5
@sun Scorched that looks super familliar, did you do that pitch on realgm gmat game? I think he did haha
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Post by Myles (SAS) on Jan 20, 2014 17:59:08 GMT -5
Next thing you know we are sending powerpoint slides and doing a presentation online... thats way way over the top for me. I think the main point is to show how the player fits into your plans, what the plans are, player's expected role, any risks and, of course, cash... Yeah honestly I'd be okay with opening pitches just having years, salary, raise % and any options.
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Post by andrei (POR) on Jan 20, 2014 18:15:18 GMT -5
One more question: say I have 1 slot and I am negotiating with 3 players. Don't want to put all my eggs in one basket... All 3 happen to accept my offer. Will I get some time to think about it before finalizing the deal? Maybe 24 hours. I can then either finalize or pull out. Potentially during that time, comms are sent that the deal is close. Rival GMs can still pitch so both player and I can pull out. That allows me to make the best decision but also instills a sense of urgency...
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Post by Myles (SAS) on Jan 20, 2014 21:25:24 GMT -5
Yeah we can probably negotiate some kind of 24 hour window or something, would also account for people in different time zones so say I say the player is ready to sign on the dotted line and it's 3AM in your time zone, you have time to respond to that.
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Post by orangeparka (MIA) on Jan 20, 2014 22:16:26 GMT -5
I like that going back and forth will be a thing. It sucks having to be blind and sorta guess when dealing with UFAs.
Another concern though for me is the whole pitch thing. There needs to be some kind of rules or limits in place so as not to have anything too over the top IMO.
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Post by Dylan (SAC) on Jan 20, 2014 22:22:15 GMT -5
Another concern though for me is the whole pitch thing. There needs to be some kind of rules or limits in place so as not to have anything too over the top IMO. Keep in mind, you'd really only have to make a pitch to a superstar free agent. You're really going to do whatever you can to impress the free agent. For example, when Lebron was a free agent in 2010, every team made their pitch. Some teams' pitches were stronger than others, specifically the Nets. Lebron said at the time the Nets had the most impressive pitch of all. Ultimately, however, the pitch has little impact on the free agents' decision.
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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Jan 21, 2014 9:37:01 GMT -5
I don't understand the aversion to having a strong presentation - seems strange to me. Perhaps someone can explain.
For the amount of time we all invest into this league, a pitch to a superstar FA would be the equivalent of writing a league article. That seems about right, no? In terms of the time invested into one of the most important aspects of the game, that doesn't seem to be a stretch, does it?
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Post by Myles (SAS) on Jan 21, 2014 11:31:34 GMT -5
When it comes to using media in competition terms ("pitching" to free agents) less active people will always be worried that the guys who have the time/energy/capability to write more (OP, Rizzo, you) will use that to their advantage and get FAs simply due to stronger activity which they may not have the ability to do. We saw the same thing when I proposed the new scouting system that had scouting "tiers" based on activity levels but was competition based.
I am all for pitches, but as an agent, I'll be looking for the most pertinent information and making my decision based on that: the contract information, plus things like playing time or playing for a winner if that's important to my client. The pitch my only help solidify your spot as a team that will care about my client more and treat him better since you cared enough to make a pitch for him.
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Post by orangeparka (MIA) on Jan 21, 2014 12:11:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it's unfair for people who don't have the luxury to wrigte paragraphs of pitch content and whatnot.
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Post by Rizzo (NO) on Jan 22, 2014 19:36:28 GMT -5
I'm with Myles. I think I would like to see the agents use the potential pitches from teams to help solidify a team as being considered but not being weighed into the deciding factors.
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