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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Jan 23, 2014 0:50:45 GMT -5
I get it. Everyone's lazy and worried they'll be out pitched. Haha. Moving on.
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Post by orangeparka (MIA) on Jan 23, 2014 1:02:27 GMT -5
I get it. Everyone's lazy and worried they'll be out pitched. Haha. Moving on. Personally I'd love it too, but it's just unrealistic and puts those without the luxury to do so at a disadvantage. Gotta think about what's right for everyone. |
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Post by Rizzo (NO) on Jan 23, 2014 6:06:57 GMT -5
I get it. Everyone's lazy and worried they'll be out pitched. Haha. Moving on. Personally I'd love it too, but it's just unrealistic and puts those without the luxury to do so at a disadvantage. Gotta think about what's right for everyone. I agree with this. I wish we could make pitches mandatory but that ejido give some of us an unfair advantage while others will struggle to compete for the top-tier free agents. |
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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Jan 23, 2014 10:45:53 GMT -5
If anything, the opportunity to outpitch other teams gives a small advantage to the smaller, less fortunate franchises out there.
Not to play the part of Devil's advocate here, but "unfair advantage" is much more prevalent in other aspects of this game. Certain teams started with complete rosters and various tradable assets, other did not. Some people have the game and are able to input submatrix commands, others cannot. Those are much more glaring disadvantages than, "Timmy decided to write a longer pitch to a free agent."
Besides, the concept that you seem to dislike is already present in our league. If you write X amount of articles, you get to scout Y amount of free agents and the quality of the information increases the more time you invest. That's quite obviously an advantage come draft day - and one tied exclusively to how much you write.
So again, point conceded. Not interested in doing anything the league finds unattractive, but I think it's worth refining the arguments for/against for the sake of future conversations about league ideas.
That being said, you know I don't have to pitch Anthony Davis, Rizzo, he's already told me personally he'd rather be playing with Kobe and MKG than your junked out roster.
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Post by LakeshowAK7 (LAL) on Jan 23, 2014 11:14:51 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see anything wrong with a pitch. Some players like them more than others, but the main motive behind a lot of players wanting to experience free agency is the simple fact of being "wanted," and "courted."
Look at Dwight Howard for example, that fool loved every minute of every pitch he got from the teams interested in him last summer IRL. Carmelo Anthony is on record saying he looks forward to being "courted" this off-season in free agency. It's not an advantage if you can take the time to write a pitch up, but rather you showing that you care enough to really want that free agent - in my opinion.
Pitches should definitely hold some significant weight, wouldn't you want to be sold on whatever you are buying into?
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Post by jake0890 (MIN) on Jan 23, 2014 11:33:10 GMT -5
Totally agree with Sun Scorched. Preventing pitched from holding any meaning is absurd. You should be rewarded for time spent courting a player. Nothing wrong with dedication.
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Post by andrei (POR) on Jan 23, 2014 12:25:36 GMT -5
I think there is nothing wrong with doing these kind of loooong well researched pitches. Putting in the extra time
In reality though, how much are they really helping? If I don't think your team is a good fit for my client I really don't care that you have his best friend on it...
I think the pitch should answer some basic questions about whats in it for the player, how are you going to address their main requirements, whats in it for the team, how much cash is involved etc. I can provide this in a few short bullet points while others may want to write a gigantic essay...
Another question is if the agents want to read 30 gigantic essays or would they prefer something short and to the point...
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Post by dennisj (BOS) on Jan 23, 2014 12:30:13 GMT -5
Im with Andrei. Wanted to write sth about it but he said everything I wanted to say  . |
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Post by Sun Scorched (CHA) on Jan 23, 2014 13:06:20 GMT -5
I think there is nothing wrong with doing these kind of loooong well researched pitches. Putting in the extra time In reality though, how much are they really helping? If I don't think your team is a good fit for my client I really don't care that you have his best friend on it... I think the pitch should answer some basic questions about whats in it for the player, how are you going to address their main requirements, whats in it for the team, how much cash is involved etc. I can provide this in a few short bullet points while others may want to write a gigantic essay... Another question is if the agents want to read 30 gigantic essays or would they prefer something short and to the point... You may not care that his best friend is on the team.... But he does. Ultimately, there aren't 30 teams that have the cap space to offer max contracts. Worst case, 6-7 teams will. I personally would enjoy the pitches if I were an agent. The color and direction surrounding all of the franchises in this league is incredibly important to its development. The only true motivation that I can understand to this point is the fear of the downside risk with all of this, or in other words, the fear of being out-pitched. Am I aware that Kobe could sign elsewhere? Of course. The fact that he could makes all of this more interesting to me. I personally think that not enough free agents decide to change teams in the offseason and that it's unrealistic from that standpoint. A part of the issue is that teams attempt to retain free agents for the sake of not losing a tradable asset. This happens because teams aren't restricted by finances the way NBA franchises are, and I understand that. But I think we can all admit that, if given a choice of re-signing a player and letting him walk, we would re-sign that player. It makes sense - that's what I would do, but that's only because right now you have a 90% chance of keeping your own guy and only a 10% chance of actually making a free agent acquisition. Those odds need to change, in my opinion. |
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Post by orangeparka (MIA) on Jan 23, 2014 17:47:47 GMT -5
If anything, the opportunity to outpitch other teams gives a small advantage to the smaller, less fortunate franchises out there. Not to play the part of Devil's advocate here, but "unfair advantage" is much more prevalent in other aspects of this game. Certain teams started with complete rosters and various tradable assets, other did not. Some people have the game and are able to input submatrix commands, others cannot. Those are much more glaring disadvantages than, "Timmy decided to write a longer pitch to a free agent." Besides, the concept that you seem to dislike is already present in our league. If you write X amount of articles, you get to scout Y amount of free agents and the quality of the information increases the more time you invest. That's quite obviously an advantage come draft day - and one tied exclusively to how much you write. So again, point conceded. Not interested in doing anything the league finds unattractive, but I think it's worth refining the arguments for/against for the sake of future conversations about league ideas. That being said, you know I don't have to pitch Anthony Davis, Rizzo, he's already told me personally he'd rather be playing with Kobe and MKG than your junked out roster. What about people who start with great rosters AND are incredibly active? That would then further any "unfair advantage". Don't think you can compare scouting to that at all. The scouting bonus is incentive for writing, honestly it doesn't make a huge difference because stuff like combine is way more useful/important, and not everyone even has a pick in the first place. There's nothing wrong with the pitch idea, it just needs to have some kind of format or limits in place. |
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Post by jestor on Jan 24, 2014 0:41:16 GMT -5
I think people are overstating the importance of pitches here and unnecessarily freaking out. Only once in all my intense media blitzes have I ever won a free agency bidding war for a star free agent.
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Post by Rizzo (NO) on Jan 24, 2014 7:19:37 GMT -5
That being said, you know I don't have to pitch Anthony Davis, Rizzo, he's already told me personally he'd rather be playing with Kobe and MKG than your junked out roster. Please, he is playing for the original Charlotte franchise right here in New Orleans. You guys can barely support your knock-off franchise as it is. He's not going to go there and watch you run another franchise out of town! What about people who start with great rosters AND are incredibly active? That would then further any "unfair advantage". Those are people who aren't looking for a challenge. It's like taking the Heat in a sim league...  I get people's paranoia and the more I think about it, I think pitches would be great for our new free agency system with actual agents. You want that big name player, go out and get him rather than just throwing an offer at him. Let him know why you want him and what you're going to do to help build around him. Let's make this happen! |
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Post by bt (TOR) on Feb 8, 2014 1:41:34 GMT -5
I think there is nothing wrong with doing these kind of loooong well researched pitches. Putting in the extra time In reality though, how much are they really helping? If I don't think your team is a good fit for my client I really don't care that you have his best friend on it... I think the pitch should answer some basic questions about whats in it for the player, how are you going to address their main requirements, whats in it for the team, how much cash is involved etc. I can provide this in a few short bullet points while others may want to write a gigantic essay... Another question is if the agents want to read 30 gigantic essays or would they prefer something short and to the point... You may not care that his best friend is on the team.... But he does. I just picked this one out because if prior CSL history is to be disregarded, then there are no friends and no agent should decide who is and who are not friends really. That's an example of the issues that can arise. Unless there is a rating for it (play for winner, playing time, etc), doesn't matter how adult people like to think they are, you'll always have those who can't handle it. Pitching, media, making a case and all that can be detailed no worries on how much it counts and does not count. You have an agent where the home team has a max offer out for a superstar and another team also does but the agent chooses to leave for some reason, shit will hit the fan. One other thing, how are finances going to be handled? Manually? Going to agents means not running free agency through the game which means editing salaries and I know most leagues with player agents need to track all their finances manually in spreadsheets. Are all GM's okay with having to check cap levels manually and not in the league file? |
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Post by Myles (SAS) on Feb 8, 2014 2:09:59 GMT -5
We've edited the contracts in the past for various reasons and the game updates immediately.
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Post by bt (TOR) on Feb 8, 2014 2:13:42 GMT -5
Nice, an improvement on the past games which is good.
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